09 W for We've Got Mail

In which Harry and Mairead discuss urban planning and China in the 1970s and 80s.

For more on urban planning, Mairead recommends this Vox video about defensive design, this Vox video about malls in America and third spaces, and this episode of the podcast 99% Invisible.

For more on China in the 1970s and 80s, Harry recommends the book The Cultural Revolution at the Margins by Yiching Wu.

Our music is "Chop Shop (Instrumental)" by White Flowers, and our logo is by ei8htz.